smiffy

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Subject: Magallitza Breeders Club / Co-operative Wed 15 Oct 2008 - 13:03

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Thoughts have been drifting through my cob-web brain over the last few months.........................

The biggest issue that will soon face Mangalitza breeders is what to do with stock that we can not sell? So far I have been really lucky, BUT..... one day I may have more mangalitza piggies than I can cope with!!! Both My sows are back in pig and I have a red sow on order, I already have an orderbook for the next litters, 6 Girls and 2 boys. But I still have 3 boy from the last litter who will go in the freezer if we can not sell them.

The issue will be what to do with any surpless pigs, we can only eat so much pork ourselves, we are going to make some Parma style hams and panchetta etc. As I have not yet tasted the Mangalitza myself I am reluctant to sell to people who buy our traditional pork, if they dont like it I could loose custom, (and we dont have enough to loose!). I am however prepared to offer a small free sample to friends and family, hopefully then they will buy mangalitza.

Anyway I'm rattling and losing the point The point I was, my thinking is.... If we form an informal breeders club, our meetings could be held over email or a messenger service. We could promote Mangalitza products, and use it as a way to supply demand. For example I may have 3 pigs for slaughter from the last litter, If i found an outlet for the meat then it will be another 12 months before I have any pigs ready for slaughter again, But someone else may be able to sent a few porkers. The hungarians are supplying spain see text from Mangalicia.................

By now the Spanish owner of the Olmos & Toth Ltd. is willing to take over 50-60 thousand mangalica swines (pig, hog). This number can be multiplied depending on the market, with special regard to the join of the country to the European Union and the increase of the Hungarian living standard.

We are never going to reach these numbers, but if we can find a restaurant chain that would put mangalitsa on the menu, as a consortium or co-op we could supply the demand that individual breeders can not.

What do you all think?

Katie
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Subject: Re: Magallitza Breeders Club / Co-operative Wed 15 Oct 2008 - 17:12

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I think it is a great idea, and here on the forum we will do everything we can to promote this.

John and I have been giving some thought to this ourselves in the event that we have surplus stock when our new stock start breeding, and also for our British Rare Breeds. This may be of interest to Carole later on as well.

I think you will have to contact the Mangalitza association perhaps, or take names from the BPA newletter - even better. I have to say that the association haven't acknowledged any emails sent to them about our forum, so I doubt they will be very helpful. Individuals may be though.

I have done a quick google check and there are a few options to consider regarding outlets that I have come up with.

Michelin rated restaurants in UK

http://www.caterersearch.com/Articles/2008/01/23/306085/top-michelin-rated-restaurants.html

(this gives you the names of all of them in the UK and their locations).


exclusive caterers (there seem to be a lot around - perhaps there is a francise group with outlets all over?).


Traditional Butchers

an example:

F.Norman Traditional Butcher - Free Range Meat and Rare Breed ...
F.Norman traditional free range butchers and rare breed specialists located in Oakwood Middlesex established over 75 years.
www.fnorman.co.uk/

I think this an exciting idea that deserves to be aired. We can help with contacts at our end - Carole has the breeders list.

What do others think?

Tracey how can we help?

We can certainly dedicate a section for this if anyone wants to push on. It can certainly benifit everyone, so hopefully there will be a lot of support within the Community itself.

carole

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Location : Brittany France

Subject: Re: Magallitza Breeders Club / Co-operative Wed 15 Oct 2008 - 19:03

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What a great idea and yes I will help and support in any way I can.

I have contacted some new BPA members from the Autumn newsletter and also Tony York himself, but only a few so far have responded.
Tracey can you ask Sally Edwards to join this forum and all together maybe this can be benificial to all involved.
At the moment- may it continue, my piglets are sold quite quickly, they are a novelty and not being BPA registered they dont command a high price but we need to all get together and sort out what happens next.
The whole reason for this web forum is to promte the Mangalitza and its place in breeding and the meat chain, bring on the new enthusiasts and owners too

Carole

smiffy

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Subject: Re: Magallitza Breeders Club / Co-operative Wed 15 Oct 2008 - 19:54

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I will ask, not sure if she has a computer at home though, Sally is ringing me next week.

I emailed Sherlin and Andy peters today to let them know about the forum.

I suppose 1st of all we have to get some one to try the Magalitza meat. I have spoken with the butcher of a celebrity Chief, the butcher came to see the pigs this summer. I have offered him half a pig to process. I will be talking to another celebrity chief this week, so fingers crossed.

Once we have an outlet we need to work out supply, that’s were you all come in. I am not sure about the logistics of it all. But if we have a direct outlet for the meat we are more likely to be able to command a higher price, than if we sold commercially, thus making it possible to transport. I do know some people are selling direct to butchers, But they are only getting commercial meat price for the carcass, hopefully we could do better than that. The American breeders have opened up a good market, so why not us here in Europe.

I have held off from trying to develop a market for the meat as I do not have the pigs to offer continuous supply, and I would rather sell my pigs live for breeding. But soon there will be lots of breeders (hopefully) the pigs will be established and there will be no outlet for the excess stock. If new breeders know they have a commercial market for unsold stock then they are more likely to want to breed Mangalitza’s, and the breed has the opportunity to become established

ferme gronïng

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Subject: Re: Magallitza Breeders Club / Co-operative Wed 15 Oct 2008 - 19:58

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desoler pour la reponse en francais . du porc en bio et aussi du mangalitza peux etre vendu en france , j'ai beaucoup de demande pour de la viande de porc bio , c'est peut etre une piste pour vous , cordialement fredrik

sorry for the reponse in francais. pork in bio and also mangalitza can sold be in france, I have a lot of request for meat of pork bio, this is can be a track for you, cordially Fredrik

Katie
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Thankyou Fredrik

This is a very good idea, and one that everyone can benefit from.

Can you give us more information about your route for supply?


Merci Fredrik

Ceci est une très bonne idée, et l'un que tout le monde peut profiter de.

Pouvez-vous nous donner plus d'information de votre route pour la provision ?

Cordialement Kate

ferme gronïng

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Subject: Re: Magallitza Breeders Club / Co-operative Thu 16 Oct 2008 - 13:25

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je repondre en français car le traducteur de google est pas terrible.
alors en france il y a une grande demande de viande de porc bio , par contre il faut de la nourriture bio , des elevages en pleins air . si j'avais plus de surface en plus de la laiterie , je ferai un elevage en vite directe de viande bio de mangalitza . un exemple en porcs charcutiers il faut 40 individus/ha/an , en truies reproductrices 8/an , voila quelques exemples mais celui qui veux gagner sa vie avec les mangalitza le peux mais faut tout vendre en direct et en bio , car les clients si ont leurs dit qu'il n'y a pas de cholesterol dans ce cochons vont en acheter...


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I repondre in French for the translator of google is not terrible. then in france there is a big request of meat of pork bio, on the other hand it is necessary of the food bio, elevages in the open. if I had more surface what's more of the dairy one, I will do an elevage in quickly direct of meat bio of mangalitza. an example in porks delicatessen dealers it is necessary 40 individuals/hectares/year, in breeding truies 8/year veiled some Examples but the one that wants to earn his living with the mangalitza can it but is necessary all to sell live and in bio, for the customers if their said that there is not cholesterol in this pigs go to buy about it...

I recommend you sell directly to consumers at venues like farmers' markets. This is for two reasons:

1) You probably don't have enoug pigs to sell to butchers or restaurants.

2) Selling at farmers' markets will help to educate people about what the breed is great for.

In America, the company Wooly Pigs is marketing the breed successfully.